we know oklahoma -- there has beg a number of studies done in oklahoma it did not produce additional jobs. as a matter of fact, if you draw a comparison to two years before, the 10 years after, it's actually less investment in oklahoma. it's bad for michigan it's bad for anywhere. >> all right. >> right to work is about lessening worker's voice in government and the workplace. >> if it's not about economic development, is it more of a political action against the progressive movement? >> i absolutely thingk it is. we have seen all kinds of voter suppression, suppression of democratic rights. this is another example. the wealthy -- this is really driven by wealthy forces in michigan that you know well, the debos. family others dick debos, and they want the wealthy to get more and more and the workers to get less and less to try to push us down to third-world level on wages and benefits. it's outrage ooze. it shows the tremendous -- actually we did him 10 days of really fruitful discussions about how to change the dynamics in michigan, how to change the climate, with the governor with